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If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would suggest that the left-establishment of the US political class cooperated with the PRC to engineer and release the virus, as a strategy to influence the outcome of the 2020 US electoral cycle. And that the same political class now sees that information is coming out, and is trying to get ahead of the news, in preparation for scapegoating their Chinese partners.

At this point, I'm more inclined to believe laboratory accident leakage, rather than malicious conspiracy. But I don't have sufficient evidence to discount a conspiracy, and given the authoritarian nature of the PRC and it's suppression of information, it's unlikely that such data will ever be available.

The problem is that if this 'conspiracy theory' is even partly confirmed, it opens up all kinds of other 'obviously false conspiracy theories' for further investigation. Which leads to an ignition of public outrage in the USA, and (among other things) potentially a demand for military action against China. And that's a road that leads to civil unrest, potentially civil war, and in the worst case, nuclear winter scenarios.

So, where's the best place to ride out WWIII? New Zealand?
 

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Good summary article here: The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan? - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists


Interesting facts:

EcoHealth Alliance:

EcoHealth Alliance is a New York based, 'Non Governmental Organization'. It received a grant from the NIH to study coronaviruses, and promptly gave a corresponding grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This avoided complications whereby the rules of NIH grants might have disallowed 'gain of function' research (i.e. engineering a virus to infect humans).

Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance, was the writer of a letter that appeared in the Lancet on February 19, 2020, rejecting the possibility of a laboratory leakage resulting in release. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”

Daszak was also a member of The World Health Organization team that investigated the origins of the virus in Wuhan, and (again) rejected the possibility of a laboratory role.

On December 9, 2019, before the outbreak of the pandemic became generally known, Daszak gave an interview in which he talked in glowing terms of how researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been reprogramming the spike protein and generating chimeric coronaviruses capable of infecting humanized mice.


The National Institute of Health and National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID):

From June 2014 to May 2019, Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance had a grant from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health, to do gain-of-function research with coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Either the director of the NIAID, Anthony Fauci, or the director of the NIH, Francis Collins, or maybe both, would have invoked the exemption in order to keep the money flowing to Shi’s gain-of-function research, and later to avoid notifying the federal reporting system of her research.


Commentary of David Baltimore:

“When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus,” said David Baltimore, an eminent virologist and former president of CalTech. “These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2,”

David Baltimore is a past president of Caltech, one of the world's leading virologists, and recipient of the 1975 Nobel Prize for Medicine for "discoveries concerning the interaction of tumor viruses and the genetic material of the cell."




So basically, it looks increasingly likely that US tax dollars funded the engineering of this virus in China, which then caused massive devastation to both the global economy and human lives. It's also very likely that the person who gained the most from this disaster, Anthony Fauci, was directly responsible for giving the authorizations that caused it.

Your tax dollars at work...
 

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I have recently heard the somewhat bizarre (to my mind) line that the problem was that the NIH didn't give the Wuhan Institute of Virology enough funding. With more of the US taxpayer's money, the Chinese government would have been able to better contain the virus and it would never have escaped their lab. So what we really need to do is provide more funding to the PRC's bio-weapons research.

Watch for this to become the new line from the US left-side political class...
 

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I think I'm just impressed with the level of reality denial in the idea.

"If we give these people millions of dollars in funding, and they use it to unleash a plague that devastates the world, that means we ought to give them more funding..."

The world is crazy.
 

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Interesting analysis if you haven't seen it.


Might actually deserve it's own thread, but I'll just post it here for now.
 

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I got that document from a physician, and so far I've asked two other physicians to look at it. None could find any flaws in the data or logic. All three are on the 'right side' although at least one was a 'mask nazi' throughout the pandemic.

My next test is to send it to one of my super left friends who is a bio professor at one of those lefty New England liberal arts colleges and see what holes he can poke in it.
 
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