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"Is the 7.62x39 variant for all intents and purposes rather dead in the water at this point?"


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"The SCAR H (Mk17) and the SCAR L (Mk16) can be converted in the future to different calibers. We have done it already on the SCAR L (Mk16) with other calibers. It would just take a customer (US Gov / MIL) to put a requirement out."
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Thank god Alex doesn't need the DOD to tell him how high to jump before deciding to innovate

Like I have been saying for awhile now, the real meat and potatoes of the XCR is being able to shoot 7.62x39, not 5.56. It instantly becomes the best 7.62x39 carbine on the planet period. Nothing is as modular or ergonomic or well thought out. Robarms needs this weapon out yesterday. It pulls it out of the Vs. M4, Vs. 556, Vs. SCAR debate and puts the XCR in a completely different class.

There is a whole world out there screaming for a heavy hitting carbine but don't want a pot metal AK type weapon.

Robarms....Today, not tomorrow, get that 7.62x39 onto the market. Lets flex some muscle and show the industry what you are made of
 

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Totally agree! :tiphat:
 

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As soon as I can order the 7.62x39 conversion, my Limited Edition Arsenal SA M7 SF 7.62x39 is going up for sale.
That's the real beauty of the 7.62x39 conversion...who is the competition really? A couple of Kalashnikov clones. Not to be offensive, but even the most tricked Krebs cant come close to what the XCR is.

The XCR would have the playing field all to itself. The Masada uses regular AK mags which is backwards from AR15 ergos, and the SCAR wont do a conversion probably unless it is a 3rd party deal
 

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God I want the x39 conversion so bad... I completely agree with you on the positives on robarm's side as far as ability to adapt goes. The xcr is a huge a leap forward from the ak in terms of accuracy and ergos... I want a weapon in x39 but I decided not to get an ak until I see how the xcr goes.

I REALLY hope cproducts comes through. The magazine is such an important link in this chain... I am practically praying that it is reliable and fairly priced...


I think the masada is more interesting than the scar, but I'm curious as to one thing about it. I believe I read that the upper is the registered part for it, isn't that sort of inconvenient? vb3, what are the positives/negatives of that setup?
 

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The advantage of having the upper as the "gun" part is that you can swap magwells without buying a new gun. So, your SCAR is both heavy and light. Or Masada, though I"m not sure Magpul was every on the .308 bandwagon for a variant.

The advantage of having your lower as the "gun" part is most of your wear is on the upper. So if you wear the upper out, just replace it. No FFL required.

So you can have either conversion conveniance, or replacement conveniance, depending what gun you're inclined to.
 

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Well, if you plan on going totally sickhouse rock&roll on the gun, I suppose easily replaceable uppers might be a good thing. The lower would be the registered part, so whatever you slap on top of it isn't a concern.

The other direction, well, more calibers to shoot without having a second NFA registered piece.
 

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Will their upper system be considered the same with different barrel and bolt carrier parts as far as the nfa registration goes?

It would get sort of expensive if you wanted to have sbr's in 5.56/5.45/6.8/x39 if you have to pay the stamp for each one. This vs registering the xcr receiver and then being able to do whatever you want with the upper.
 

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The SCAR seems like a pain to swap barrels. You have to take just about every part off it to get the barrel off. So having the conversion is one thing, but then the process of converting is another.

Speaking of the C products mags... What happens from here? They produce an initial sample and get some out to RA for testing? RA tests and then orders mags and the blanks for the conversion kits.... Are we still 6 months out???? ???

Is the mag RA has been testing the same design C products is making?
 

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As I understand it, the part with the serial number is the part that is registered.

The XCR looks pretty good from this standpoint--as long as you're not stuck on having a auto .308. If it fits the upper, you're golden.

The SCAR would be more easily changeable between .308 and the short-case calibers, since you can swap magwells without any additional NFA expenses.

I suppose it will depend on exactly what you want. Of course, right now, the XCR is the only game in town. The SCAR is still vapor from where we sit.
 

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I never have understood all the hype for the SCAR and the Masada and not much love for the XCR. To me all three are pretty similar in design.

I definitely don't like the barrel swap of the SCAR. Too many bolts and I have to remove all the stuff on my rails to get to the bolts. The XCR and the Masada win in this regard by a long margin if you ask me.

You gotta love that the XCR is currently capable of 3 differnet calibers with another a couple of months away.

Once again, why all the hype for the other two when the XCR is here. I think RA has done a pretty incredible job of getting new products to market since the first .223 was released. In about 18 months, we have a new gas block, and two additional calibers.

I would like to see a Masada/SCAR stock for the XCR. The M4 collapsible is close, but I don't like the aesthetics when the stock is open. It just isn't that smooth from the stock to the rear of the receiver on the left side. I know a little thing, but it bugs me. I love the fixed adaptor for appearance and function.

I also think a dedicated folding/adjustable stock could also go a little shorter in the fully closed position. I don't have a problem, but others that have shot my gun would like to see the M4 folder be a little shorter--not a problem with the fixed M4.

Bottom line I agree that the XCR will be, no, is better than the SCAR.
 

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With the SCAR, you aren't really buying and trying... the military has been "trying" for a long time. You are buying something that is as close to 100% ready as any initial production run will ever be. That is why I will buy one for a reasonable cost.

With the XCR (at first, at least... to a little lesser degree now) you are buying and trying, but you are buying from a company that actually makes firearms, and those guns mostly work, historically. Plus, it actually exists, which is nice (for most people anyway, myself not withstanding :-\).

With the Masada, you are buying a completely unknown quantity from a company that doesn't make firearms. Which is why I won't be buying one within the first couple years of release, certainly. Plus I don't like the serialized upper, so even if it proves a good rifle, it really doesn't wet my whistle at this point.
 
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those are cool videos, I think it would be cool if robarm would continue to put those out demonstrating their new items and prototypes. who is it doing the demos in these btw?
magikbullet, I'm pretty sure the YouTube demo I highlighted is just a fellow XCR aficionado. But I think you're right, Robinson Arms should consider putting out a series of short demos highlighting the XCR. Great publicity and free advertising for them on YouTube.
 
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