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With the shortage in service workers and younger people seemingly completely dropping out of the labor market, we've been wondering how these folks are making ends meet.

I'd wager the mortgage moratorium kept some of them from making their rent/mortgage payments....and the influx of federal unemployment dollars were a big boost (to a higher wage rate than they made at their former jobs in my, and other, states) to their finances. But I'd think that even if they saved it all, the funds will low at some point (though some states continued receiving the federal stipend until August).

Well, I stumbled across a reddit forum that kind of explains the mindset apparently. It's the top trending forum today.

Buckle up if you go in there to read (I wouldn't waste a minute posting personally).....essentially it's very anti-"capitalism"...even though what they are describing is not free market capitalism at all, but corporatism/cronyism. It's frightening to read that people believe they should not have to work, or work very minimally but be afforded all the necessities of life as well as the perks and extravagance we've all learned we must work harder/smarter for.

 

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I have a number of friends who have been working insanely hard throughout all of this to keep their small businesses running, and have often discussed with them the issues in finding and retaining staff. Apparently what is happening is that people in the service sector are switching jobs more often than was common previously. The do have small cushions of savings and so when they leave a job they take more time to find the next one, and due to staffing woes, many businesses are paying $1-3 dollars more. It’s created a kind of arms race of slightly increased wages, resulting in even more lateral movement. The combined effect of this is expressed when the rest of us discover businesses unexpectedly closed for a day or week, long lines at supermarkets, empty shelves due to take of staff to restock (as well as supply chains disrupted by staffing), etc. There is no question that changing attitudes about the urgency of “finding work” are also playing a role. It’s not surprising that “anti work” ideology exists and even thrives at the extreme end of this. My concern is that the entire system, which is based on widespread confidence and the ready availability of everything we want, is spiraling toward a crash.
 

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If you hand out a bunch of (temporary) free money, people will use the temporary increase to try to boost their long term earnings. If it lets them stay away from work in an effort to force wages up, some people are going to do that. Unfortunately, in the long run (and even the relatively short term), having less people engaged in productive labor will mean a net decrease in human welfare.
 

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I read through some of that reddit. I don't know what to say. At some point you have to realize that no one is doing anything productive--and that means that no one has anything.

I spent a few minutes there too.....everything occurring right now, socially, economically and politically, has a very distinct Randian vibe.......she possessed a rare understanding of the best and worst parts of the human being.
 

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My options are:
  • Work 54+ hrs a week
  • Get the Jab & wear a mask
  • Switch fields
  • Work a job well beneath my skill level
  • Remain unemployed and spend time with my family

I choose the latter. My house is paid off and my expenses are super low. I still apply places, but I am very choosy.
 

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I am a Bogglehead at heart, but I am also way into doomporn. I don't trust that the rules of the game will remain unchanged over my duration.

My FIRE goals.
1. Be debt free.
2. Buy some pasture.
3. Buy some chickens.
4. Buy some cattle.
5. Live a pseudo Mennonite lifestyle (if I have too).
I'm also worried about rule changes. We have a fair percentage of our net worth in other assets to hedge against possible rule changes, inflation, and/or confiscations. We are considering buying productive land to retreat to, but I think that 'hiding in plain sight' (living a low consumption life style and having few visible assets) may be a better way forward. We might end up trying a 'both of the above' strategy though.
 

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Water is a major issue in this part of the country, for sure. I tend to think that in a social unrest scenario, my best bet is not to bunker down in place, but to relocate to somewhere with less unrest. Not sure how feasible that is, though.
 

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I am a Bogglehead at heart, but I am also way into doomporn. I don't trust that the rules of the game will remain unchanged over my duration.

My FIRE goals.
1. Be debt free.
2. Buy some pasture.
3. Buy some chickens.
4. Buy some cattle.
5. Live a pseudo Mennonite lifestyle (if I have too).
Your goals sound like mine, lol.

Cheers! (y) 🍻
 

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Water is a major issue in this part of the country, for sure. I tend to think that in a social unrest scenario, my best bet is not to bunker down in place, but to relocate to somewhere with less unrest. Not sure how feasible that is, though.
I think many people are going to find bugging out a lot more romantic a notion than a reality. Bugging in, but only if you have the man power (aka community) to defend your assets makes a lot more sense.

If you guys haven't checked out John Lovell's Warrior Poet Society.....might be a good time to.




 
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With the shortage in service workers and younger people seemingly completely dropping out of the labor market, we've been wondering how these folks are making ends meet.
This started before COVID, but has certainly not gotten any better. There's an entire portion of young men that have grown up without father figures who just freeload off of women. These women are either their mothers, grandmothers, girlfriends or wives. Mothers and grandmothers allow this mostly out of guilt while girlfriends and wives allow it because they'd rather have to pay to keep someone with them than be alone. These women are enabling these men to be freeloading losers. The best thing that could happen to these men would be for them to be dropped in the woods to literally go hungry so that they could develop a base level of work ethic. Needless to say that we try to avoid hiring these guys at my business, but every once in a while one will slip through just because he's a good bullcrapper. They generally don't last a week because they just don't want to work and their women won't make them.
 

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Sustainability is always good. Access to clean water, food stores. Freeze drier next on my list
This article was linked to recently on Hacker News and it completely changed my ideas on food prepping. Live like my ancestors lived.

 
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