[Jbpark55]

XCR on the LE & military fronts.

Just out of curiosity. Does anyone know is the military is using the XCR in the sandbox. I know the SF seem to be using a variety of new weapons. I know it did not win the trials, but I thought they may have taken a 2nd look @ it.

And on the LE front. Has any LE agency taken up the XCR. I have not heard of any. So are any looking @ it. Whether its just an officer or swat teams.

 

[Aussie Arms]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

Jb,

I have just purchased a SBR XCR for both a display gun for my firearms business, and for my duty rifle to keep in my cruiser when I'm doing my "after Hours" job as a Deputy Sheriff.

 

[cavegeo]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

I too am interested to know if any foreign or domestic Military Units are testing the XCR.

As to LE Agency or Military adopting the XCR, I would hope that this happens as I feel this could insure that parts will be available down the road.

I would think that with the XCR having a similar manual of arms to the AR that the switch over to the XCR would not require a great deal of training and that some agencies could be convinced to adopt the XCR.

While Robarms has not made mention of what contracts there are prosuing with regards to either Military or LE, I would be interested to know once the contracts have been awarded. As I stated earlier that once a large agency or military adopts the XCR that this would surely establish a parts supply for the future.

 

[aziator]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

I have heard rumors of a few SF types either using or consider using. A good friend shot my XCR and was pretty impressed with it. He is in that community. I also heard a rumor that a foreign military was interested in the 7.62.39 XCR. I am not sure how that panned out or if it was just a rumor.

I think that the design is intriguing to many communities, I for one am impressed with it's ability to run flawlessly with little to no cleaning. Much better than my army issue weapons. I think if Robarms can stick it out and grow and adapt at the pace of demand without loosing their customer service they will be successful for years to come, military or not.

 

[Martens]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

Myself and two others use them as our duty rifles and love them. They are ultra reliable and amazingly smooth. The felt recoil is less than an AR as well. The only way I'll ever go back to an AR is if they no longer let us carry personally owned guns.

 

[aziator]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

martens, where are you? I heard a few guys in an AL dept. were using, also a few possibly out in Utah.

 

[Jbpark55]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

I love the replies. These are more positive than the replies I got on my last post on the AR15com forum. It is titled "To all M16/M4/AR15 lovers out there".

It is in the AR-15 » AR Discussions » All I did was question the DI system on the AR. And to me there was alot more negativity. Maybe the title was mean I don't know. But alot of positive here and alot of negative and some positive their.

OK, back on point. Glad to hear the info, and KEEP SPREADING THE GOOD WORD. :copcar:

 

[Martens]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

South central missouri. Being on SWAT I've shot mine a fair bit in 18 months and no signs of any real wear. The bolt is showing some finish wear and the carrier is showing a little bit on the bottom--that's about it.

As the PD armorer I would much rather detail clean an XCR than the AR. With the XCR I can get to a lot more without specialized tools and it takes about half the time to make it as clean as new.

If we had the money, I would buy XCR's over AR's for the PD any day, unfortunately for general issue we can't justify the price difference.

 

[Jbpark55]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

It's to bad Alex can't come up w/ special pricing for the LE community. I think that would be a big help.

 

[aziator]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

You never know, they may do dealer pricing or something for LE, you would just have to call and ask him. I am sure if a department wanted to buy a large amount he could work something out.

 

[Aussie Arms]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

Alex is actually listed on their web site as the LE sale rep.

You never know.

 

[Martens]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

I can't complain about RA's LE pricing. I found it pretty fair for individual officers. The problem, even without excise tax for PD purchase, the price is still more than a good enough AR. Very few agencies are going to spend the extra money, at least for general issue, for the extra features found on the XCR.

We may look at them for SWAT in an SBR down the road, but who knows. The other problem is with a large percentage of cops being prior military they, at least in our agency, tend to drift to what they know. We have some micro galil's, which for an SBR are incredible, yet the only guys on the team that seem to like them are guys with no prior military experience. We have tested classic sigs as well and most of the team liked the AR better.

LE may be a tough group to break into on large scales. Those that like to shoot tend to be in love with the AR and those that don't won't care enough to really know the difference. I've let anyone that ones to shoot my rifle and to shooters, it isn't enough of a difference to convert them and to non shooters they are like "nice rifle, set it down and just coast through the rest of the range session, happy that it's over."

 

[shane45]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

Im sorry, Im just not seeing the "more expensive" part. ??? What is a good enough AR, a plinker model. Some been counter bets my life on that junker and he's gonna get cracked in the mouth. So in my eyes, a good enough AR is one that has a proven track record, as in the trainers at (insert school here) havent seen most of them puke all over themselves. So whats a Noveske, LMT etc etc go for? Basic config around 900ish. Add a rail system (300) and flip sights (another 225) and your at 1425. So to me its even money basically. Whats an LMT MRP go for these days, around 1800??? Now Im no AR hater, 1 of my AR's was over 3k! So for even money to have the features I love in my FAL with AR ergonomics......well, I went and bought one today. ;D

Shane

 

[Martens]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

I'm with you on the even features bit, but patrol doesn't need free floated barrels with quad rails, flip sights, etc. A basic A2 AR can be had at department price for $700-800.

 

[aziator]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

I'm with you on the even features bit, but patrol doesn't need free floated barrels with quad rails, flip sights, etc. A basic A2 AR can be had at department price for 0-800.

But thats no fun, who wants to carry just a plain Jane. I guess not everyone in LE considers their firearm as a tool. It is the same here in the Army, I am the "gun guy" because I shoot more than the 2-4 trips my unit makes every year to the range.

 

[shane45]

Re: XCR on the LE & military fronts.

In the context of squad car plain jane ar, I fully agree with you. I was more thinking along the lines of SWAT, SRT etc etc. :duh:

Shane