I expect something like the L micro. If it's going to fit anything from 9mm to 45, it'll need a larger diameter barrel extension. That prevents it from being scaled down a bunch, but the receiver should be much shorter. Oprod can probably be smaller diameter, especially if it's short stroke.
Xcr-p
Taken from the email:
XCR-P
What we did NOT show at the Shot Show was our XCR-P which is a pistol caliber version of the XCR. We've been designing this for some time. Like our other XCRs, it will be gas operated, multi-caliber, have great ergonomics, and be available in rifle and pistol configurations. We're planning on 9mm, .45 ACP, and hopefully 10mm all feeding from Glock magazines. We'd love to hear your comments on what barrel lengths, twists, and other features you'd like to see on this platform. Please email your comments to [email protected].
https://robinsonarmament.com/xcr-p/?
XCR-P
What we did NOT show at the Shot Show was our XCR-P which is a pistol caliber version of the XCR. We've been designing this for some time. Like our other XCRs, it will be gas operated, multi-caliber, have great ergonomics, and be available in rifle and pistol configurations. We're planning on 9mm, .45 ACP, and hopefully 10mm all feeding from Glock magazines. We'd love to hear your comments on what barrel lengths, twists, and other features you'd like to see on this platform. Please email your comments to [email protected].
https://robinsonarmament.com/xcr-p/?
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I also expect it to resemble the micro, or the mini. I think it’s even possible that it will have the same lower and upper as the XCR-L, except with a different magwell on the lower.
Do we know that it will have an adjustable gas piston? Because the channel for the op rod can also be used for a weighted extension of the bolt, as it is in the Vityaz/KP-9.
Do we know that it will have an adjustable gas piston? Because the channel for the op rod can also be used for a weighted extension of the bolt, as it is in the Vityaz/KP-9.
Yes it'll be an adjustable block like the type 3 or a version of the type 3 with a short stroke. Probably in the 2nd "vent" slot
Interesting. It’s hard to imagine that 9 mm would require that much adjustment between loads, but I can imagine that 10 mm loads vary enough in pressure to warrant adjustment.
Another note, I thought it was interesting when CZ upgraded the Scorpion recently, many commenters stated that the controls were set up like an AR15, but one look And it was much clearer to me,
Given the position of the bolt release, that it is set up much more like an XCR.
Given the position of the bolt release, that it is set up much more like an XCR.
Yeah, definitely a rip off of the XCR (just like the ACR frankly).Another note, I thought it was interesting when CZ upgraded the Scorpion recently, many commenters stated that the controls were set up like an AR15, but one look And it was much clearer to me,
Given the position of the bolt release, that it is set up much more like an XCR.
While the XCR's layout is superior, the CZ wasn't horrible as it was....just different. It's definitely now more ambi and better for lefties though....so that's good.
Agreed. I had a chance to hold and inspect one recently and it felt a lot tighter than the S1. I’m still happy with my S1, but it’s nice to see CZ refining it.
Just a little eye candy for the Scorpion fans out there. I finally got around to installing an HBI aluminum handguard. This one is also SBRd so it will be getting a stock (JMac triangle side folder) and of course I’ll reinstall the sights and red dot.
Dual charging handles? Is that the Magpul grip? Handguard looks nice.
It’s a Magpul grip. I added the extended charging handle on the right because I typically shoot left handed. I left the factory charging handle on the left because this is a gun that I find others enjoy trying out, and most people shoot right handed.
i haven’t shot it yet since changing the handguard. The Hbi handguard essentially free floats the barrel so I’m curious how accuracy will be affected.
i haven’t shot it yet since changing the handguard. The Hbi handguard essentially free floats the barrel so I’m curious how accuracy will be affected.
Can I ask what you had against the factory CZ folder? That thing IMO, is very nicely done.
i had an OEM CZ Scorpion stock on my carbine. With cheek weld it put me VERY low and I never loved the feel of it in terms of the gun’s overall “plastic quotient.” And it wasn’t available most of the time (I sold the carbine).
The JMac side folder is very light and feels appropriate for, you know, COBRA or SPECTRE issue (jk jk). Seriously, I prefer the minimalist appearance and the height it puts me at. I can easily go lower and may put Troy minis on this gun. It’s going to get a green PA prism soon enough.
but this trigger … I’m recommending the new Timney more than any mod for this gun.
The JMac side folder is very light and feels appropriate for, you know, COBRA or SPECTRE issue (jk jk). Seriously, I prefer the minimalist appearance and the height it puts me at. I can easily go lower and may put Troy minis on this gun. It’s going to get a green PA prism soon enough.
but this trigger … I’m recommending the new Timney more than any mod for this gun.
I can see the height thing...I tend to run my optics as low as humanly possible though so the factory one works well for me.When I decided on a brace prior to getting my SBR stamp, the one that was available and that I most wanted had a 1913 attachment point.
i had an OEM CZ Scorpion stock on my carbine. With cheek weld it put me VERY low and I never loved the feel of it in terms of the gun’s overall “plastic quotient.” And it wasn’t available most of the time (I sold the carbine).
The JMac side folder is very light and feels appropriate for, you know, COBRA or SPECTRE issue (jk jk). Seriously, I prefer the minimalist appearance and the height it puts me at. I can easily go lower and may put Troy minis on this gun. It’s going to get a green PA prism soon enough.
but this trigger … I’m recommending the new Timney more than any mod for this gun.
How short is the overall travel. I've got my factory one down to 3/32" total travel and reset is stupid short, but it's still around 5 lbs.
i don’t have a good way to measure the travel but my sense is, it’s less than that. Call Timney. I’m impressed that you got the (very clunky) factory trigger down that low. The Timney comes with two springs, one for 3-3.5# and another for 5-5.5#.I can see the height thing...I tend to run my optics as low as humanly possible though so the factory one works well for me.
How short is the overall travel. I've got my factory one down to 3/32" total travel and reset is stupid short, but it's still around 5 lbs.
Well, I cheated....it's very much like an AK trigger. I just welded material to the front and back of the trigger body to limit how far the trigger can travel in the allotted trigger well space.i don’t have a good way to measure the travel but my sense is, it’s less than that. Call Timney. I’m impressed that you got the (very clunky) factory trigger down that low. The Timney comes with two springs, one for 3-3.5# and another for 5-5.5#.
That makes sense. I wish that I had a way to measure the Timney trigger’s travel, but I bet that Timney can answer that question. I am not a trigger obsessed shooter but I was noticeable how much the trigger helped us shoot more accurately when shooting fairly quickly, just by reducing the movement and the weight. I’m very happy with it but at the same time, it’s an expensive upgrade. My Scorpion is also SBRed so it’s unlikely I will sell it, so I feel that maximizing the performance upgrades is worth it; additionally, the US made trigger components count toward 922r compliance. Overall I’m very happy to have this gun, and it’s current setup and reliability make it more than just a range toy.Well, I cheated....it's very much like an AK trigger. I just welded material to the front and back of the trigger body to limit how far the trigger can travel in the allotted trigger well space.
Is 922r a consideration once it's SBR'd? I thought it didn't really matter at that point.That makes sense. I wish that I had a way to measure the Timney trigger’s travel, but I bet that Timney can answer that question. I am not a trigger obsessed shooter but I was noticeable how much the trigger helped us shoot more accurately when shooting fairly quickly, just by reducing the movement and the weight. I’m very happy with it but at the same time, it’s an expensive upgrade. My Scorpion is also SBRed so it’s unlikely I will sell it, so I feel that maximizing the performance upgrades is worth it; additionally, the US made trigger components count toward 922r compliance. Overall I’m very happy to have this gun, and it’s current setup and reliability make it more than just a range toy.
922r doesn’t apply to imported handguns, which is why 922r imported parts counts don’t matter for the standard Scorpion pistols that are imported, or HK SP5s, or similar subguns. When CZ sold the carbine version of the Scorpion, it was a rifle so it had to comply. The carbines are, as far as I know, finished in the US with US parts that bring them into compliance (such as the handguard).Is 922r a consideration once it's SBR'd? I thought it didn't really matter at that point.
When someone does a Form 1 SBR of a standard Scorpion, they are turning a pistol into a rifle for legal purposes, albeit a short barreled one, of course.
Maybe I’m just a belt and suspenders guy, but my read is that an SBR based on an imported pistol must comply with 922r. Whether it’s the kind of thing that would ever be enforced is a totally different question and I have no answer to that.
CZ published a diagram listing the applicable parts, and it kind of makes a roadmap of which parts I wanted to swap out with USmade parts. It’s totally possible that I’m being overly cautious,and it goes without saying that I’m just posting about my effort to comply, not commenting on the merit of the law.
And you're probably right....it's probably that you technically are supposed to be 922r compliant on an SBR as well. Stupid beyond belief, but that's NFA/ATF for ya.922r doesn’t apply to imported handguns, which is why 922r imported parts counts don’t matter for the standard Scorpion pistols that are imported, or HK SP5s, or similar subguns. When CZ sold the carbine version of the Scorpion, it was a rifle so it had to comply. The carbines are, as far as I know, finished in the US with US parts that bring them into compliance (such as the handguard).
When someone does a Form 1 SBR of a standard Scorpion, they are turning a pistol into a rifle for legal purposes, albeit a short barreled one, of course.
Maybe I’m just a belt and suspenders guy, but my read is that an SBR based on an imported pistol must comply with 922r. Whether it’s the kind of thing that would ever be enforced is a totally different question and I have no answer to that.
CZ published a diagram listing the applicable parts, and it kind of makes a roadmap of which parts I wanted to swap out with USmade parts. It’s totally possible that I’m being overly cautious,and it goes without saying that I’m just posting about my effort to comply, not commenting on the merit of the law.
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